episode 9 - katie fox from family in wanderland


Okay. Hey. Hey, everybody, this is Brenna Jeanneret from the ReWild Mama's podcast. And I've got Katie Fox here with me today from Family In Wonderland. You may have seen her Instagram page. You may be following her over there. She is here to talk to us all about living tiny and how she's been doing that. And minimalism with kids involved and all kinds of traveling advice. I'm really excited about talking with her.

Katie and I have not met formally, but we actually have a lot of similar interests in common. We both write for Hike It Baby. And she is part of the creative team at Run Wild My Child. So if you listened to the last episode I had Sara McCarty on and she talked all about her creative team and how she gets her Instagram, going and how they take care of all of the ins and outs and Katie, you actually do their newsletter now, is that right?

Yeah.

So Katie does their newsletter. So if you're getting that in your inbox, that's all Katie. The newsletter is awesome. Katie, I've been getting it the last couple of, weeks now that it's been sent out and it's got so much great information but without feeling overwhelming. So anyway, yeah, I thought it was really well done. I'm excited to open it. And also not to be, like, bogged down with too much information, but just enough, you know, enough highlights that I'm like, Oh, awesome. Okay. I can get the gist of the information from most of it without having to sit down and read a textbook. So yeah, so I really appreciate that.

Katie, if you want to go ahead and introduce yourself if I missed anything that you're doing and if you want to just tell us about how you started living tiny, I would love to just start there, okay?

Yeah. Great. So, yeah, I'm a mom of 2 boys and in April of 2019 I said to my husband, I was like, you work remotely, why are we just hanging out here? We could go travel. I had just randomly stumbled upon the fact that people do live in RVs and travel full time. And I was like, Why don't we do that? Yeah, he just kind of said alright, and it was kind of funny and a very quick decision.

In April, we kind of decided, Okay, Yeah, we're going to do this. And we sold everything. Like, our house all of our stuff. And we were like alright. Awesome. We've been on the road for over a year, and it hasn't been all smooth sailing. We've had a lot of big bumps.


So what would you say are some of the big bumps? Because I guess so, I'm thinking. OK, so 2019, was before the pandemic. So things probably look a lot different now. So how does it look different for you guys now that you're on the road versus before the pandemic?

You know, the only thing that's really changed for us are mask mandates and just wear masks all the time that we don't have to keep up with where we have to and where we don't. We don't go out to dinner like we order food, but we don't go out in a restaurant. Um, those are the only things that have really changed for us. I know that's not the same for a lot of people, but we already spent the majority of our time outside and less indoors, So we weren't exactly going to the museum and all of those things that a lot of people do go to that are no longer really open right now.

One of the questions I wanted to ask was, you know how they do in terms of, you know, living tiny, to begin with. I'm guessing they were probably excited like most kids would be. And then, you know, how are they doing now?

Because I have a three-year-old and the main issue we deal with right now are transitions, like even moving, you know, from one game to another, or even sometimes one room to another. Because I think I read recently on a post that you had put up on Instagram, you guys move almost every week. Is that right?

That's right. My six-year-old struggles with it more. Well, he’ll turn six next week. But I think, in the beginning, it would have been more of a struggle if we were starting now with a three-year-old. But he's been traveling since he turned 2. So he's kind of just adjusted to that kind of life. But actually being in a new place, he's okay with. Like we try to make it as easy as possible. We say goodbye to the campground when we leave and we talk about you know what it is that we liked about that campground or didn't like. There are some things that we just don't enjoy. Um and, you know, we also when we see the state sign when we cross into a new state, we say hi to the state and bye to the state we just left. And, you know, it's just kind of giving them that perspective that it's shifting just a little bit. Um, but I think they're just so young and they're just so, you know, they adjust a little bit better.

I think you're right. You know, in some in some regard with your little guy, he kind of grew up doing that. And so then that becomes the norm. If I were to take I mean, my husband and I lived in our van for a year before we had our son, and we're rock climbers. And so we spent the year climbing and we had our dog in our cat with us as well.

And that is the dream. You know to go back to that. But thinking about doing it now is kind of like, Oh, boy. You know, like, what are we going to do here? Because, yeah, a lot of times he has trouble transitioning just from like I said from, you know, one space to another. So trying to get him to move, every week or every month, even, you know, would be pretty difficult.

Like we talk sometimes about Oh, yeah, we're gonna go back out West and we want to take this trip and we want to do that. And he's like, wait a minute. Do we have to leave our house and like, yeah, we're gonna have to leave our house for that!

The other issue is putting on clothes which he hates. He doesn't wear clothes. He just likes to be naked all the time. So, that's also a major, barrier to doing anything. So living tiny is something that we're edging back towards little by little, but, I think once he gets older, the perspective will change like you're saying so it might be a little bit easier.

Definitely, I think our hardest thing was actually travel days because they weren't used to traveling for more than I think, 45 minutes to their grandparent's house. And so we do 2 to 3 hour travel days when we do travel. So that was a big adjustment, but it's gotten. I mean, we've been doing it for about 16 months now, and it's gotten a lot easier.

Yeah, right. So do you guys have a kind of itinerary, I guess? Do you have it mapped out where you're going? Like, did you start on, like, on one coast? And you're kind of moving your way towards the other? Or is it kind of all over the place or what do you guys do?

Yeah, I'm a planner. I'm very type-A so when we first left, we’re from Northern California, Chico. And we decided that we were going to do the Pacific Northwest that fall because we left in July. So we did that and, then came back home for the holidays, and then we kind of have been gone, so well, that's not true. The goal was to be gone and we wouldn't have even gone back to California yet. But COVID hit. And we got into a car accident in March of 2020. And so we ended up going back home to kind of hunker down for a little bit before. But I've lost my train of thought.

Oh, that's okay. Well, I was asking about how you guys plan?

Yes. So I do have our campgrounds mapped out and reservations for a few months in advance because we like to stay in state and national parks and those book out a lot further than, um, like RV parks. We don't tend to stay in RV parks unless we can't find anything else. So, we made our plan when we went to the Grand Canyon. Those were, like, six months in advance, because we wanted to be in the Canyon...So when I do that, that kind of directs the direction we're headed. And then I just kind of fill in the blanks as we go.

What do you look for when you're looking for a place to stay? Because, like when we were on the road, it was sort of dependent. So we traveled in a 1984 Westfalia. With a pop-top. Yeah. My husband did a great job revamping it. So we had, a heater installed and the stove is working, and we have a 13-gallon tank for water, so we could go quite a while that way. But like, if we had to do laundry or if we needed showers like that would kind of dictate, you know, where we stayed. So is it similar for you? Or like, what do you have in your RV that can sort of, sustain you?

No, so we have. Gosh, I think we have a 60-gallon fresh tank. We can if we don't shower...Yeah, if we don't shower, we can, with the four of us, we could go over a week. Um, it's our grey tank that fills up before our fresh one runs out. A lot of state parks have showers, so we don't tend to use ours if we don't have a sewer hookup. So we have the ability to shower in our rig, and we do have full hookups, but because we can stay in the state national parks, we don't generally have to use those.

But right now we're in a state park and we have water and electric, which is all we really need since we’re only here for a week, and we're right next to the bathroom.


Yeah, that's perfect. So, what do your kids like most about living in the RV and traveling?

Um, if you ask them, they would say that they want a big house. They do struggle with it, but I think they really like that they can...Like my five-year-old, he's super into, like, identifying the critters that he sees. And so, seeing the different birds, like he astounds me with what he remembers. But he knows so many names of birds, and he really likes, being able to go out and, look for bugs and the different ones. But also, like, you know, finding a bullfrog in like every state he really loves that. And then my three-year-old, I think that he really just likes it like he can get everywhere. You know, like in your house. There are just places that, you know, you try to keep your kids out of, and we just don't have that luxury in an RV because it's so small. He can get anywhere he wants.

When you say that they want more space, is it physically, like they want their own space, like away from each other or you guys, or Is it space like for toys?

Because when we talk about traveling, my son's main concern is that his toys are coming with him. And I'm like, Okay, we'll have plenty of your toys. It's fine. It's not a big deal.

It's definitely for toys because I'm always telling them we don't have space for that. Yeah, like if you're going to get this toy, then we have to get rid of another toy. And so they've got this, in their heads now.

Also, it's been raining. We're in Georgia and it rained all week. And so we tried, but with, like, museums and things closed, it's been really hard to find things to do. We went to the beach and just played in the rain because I was like, I don't know, we have to get out of here. Yeah, but they want more space to play inside like they want to run around when it's raining and they can't. And, if my husband's working they have to be quieter, so it's just, um those are the more spaces I think all around. They just kind of wish that there was more room.


Definitely, we moved from our van into an apartment and it was like, it was awesome moving into it because we were on the road, and then we were like, if we're gonna have a kid and whatever, if we're going to go down that route like, I don't wanna be pregnant in the van. So we were like, let's figure out, where we want to end up. So, we moved to Portland, and, um, we moved into an apartment from the van. And I was just, so amazed at how easy It was. It's so easy to move from a van to an apartment because you're like, oh, I have, this one bag and then that's it. And you just set up.

But then, I was kind of bummed when we had to go, furniture shopping. I hate shopping and I hate buying stuff. And then I had to, like, fill up this space, which is kind of what happens, the bigger the house you have, right? Or the more space you have, even if you don't want it or you plan to not use it, it fills up. Anyways, it’s one of those, universal laws like it just does.

And so part of our dream for downsizing is like, yes, we can get rid of so much stuff. I hate having stuff, but my son is, you know, he's three. So that's kind of like a safety feature for him right now. Familiar things and stuff and all of that. So there are very differing viewpoints. We’re like, yes. And he's like, no!

So that actually brings me to another question. So I was hanging out with a friend of mine earlier this week and we were talking about, this podcast and I told her how excited I was to be able to talk to you and, you know, living small and minimalist and all this stuff. And she was like, yeah, she's like, you know, I really like to live, with less, but now that I have kids, it's so difficult because they’re such hoarders. And the fact that, if you make an art project right, then you have this art and you don't want to throw it away as a parent because you're like, Oh, my gosh, he made this for me! Before It was like he's making these things and I'm like, oh, I feel like a jerk throwing them away, but now he's making them and he's specifically saying, Mama, I made this for you, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I can't throw this the way. Are you kidding me?

So she's like, will, you ask her she puts all that stuff? What do you do with it or what is the plan? Or like right now, the back of my trunk is full of sticks and twigs and leaves and like these treasures that I was not allowed to, take out or leave behind. So we have this like, um, it's like firewood. Basically, it's just filled in my trunk because we had to take these treasures home. And I mean, I love the excuse or not the excuse, but, like, you know, the retort, that's like, well, we don't have space for that, so we can't have that. But my three-year-old is not logical. So if I told him that we're just having a meltdown and then we also have the stuff, it hasn't helped anything! Do you know what I mean? There’s no getting out of it. What do you guys do? What have you found that works or doesn't work?

I guess I will say that I'm looking at 1, 2, 3, 4 walls with art on them. And it's all the things that they worked on very specifically or the things that they were like, I made this for you. But my five-year-old has literally just developed this intense desire to draw all the time, and he'll draw these really, I mean they’re five-year-old drawings, but they're like, these really elaborate pictures, and then he moves onto the next one. And so I had this stack, and I'm not joking. It was 2 to 3 inches thick of just white computer paper with pictures on them. I was like, Okay, but do you need all of these? He's like, yes, And so I went out and I got a binder, and I hole punched them all. I said, when this fills up and you can't put any more paper in here, then you have to go through and pick one to get rid of Okay. Okay. So that was one thing that we've done.

The other thing is, honestly, we just don't do quite as many painting projects as I used to do when we had our house. We just don't have the space to store all of the finished art. I do take a lot of pictures of things and have, like an album. I upload to the Cloud or whatever of any art that they didn’t say is made just for you. I’ll take a picture of it right before I throw it away and that's really hard, but we have so much.

But yeah, there's literally hanging fixtures in our crawl space with pictures and art. One more thing. The other thing I have is we have a seasonal wall. So the art projects that we do that are, you know, the more elaborate ones that you know, I don't want to get rid of. I have a wall that I kind of swap out more regularly. And so they get to see it and displayed for a while, and then it just kind of goes away and they have yet to question it. I'm sure it's coming, but they don't ask what happens.


That's smart. I like that, having a seasonal wall. I did see one of your recent posts talking about holiday decorations and, there are so many pieces and parts. So like, yeah, living tiny again, I feel like that's such a perk, for adults we’re like, yes, like I don't have to cart around, 2000 Christmas lights anymore. I don't have to deal with that. But kids, they're like, well, wait a second! So actually, since I brought it up, some people might not have seen your post. So if you could talk just a little bit about what your strategy is for that, too, because I thought it was a really good insight into how you're doing it.

Yeah, so we have one like little plastic, storage container, and it's not very big, that fits under our bed. It's, I don't know, maybe it's 2 ft by two. It's not square, so I don't know, it's not very big. And it has all of the decorations for the entire year in it. And actually, I think it has more Halloween decorations than anything else. And but it has, like, our stockings. We brought those with us and, like, one strand of Christmas lights, one strand of Halloween lights, and then more of the drawings.

That and I do have a couple that I've kept that, I don't even know, are somewhere in the trailer. And they are from last Christmas that I really liked. So we decorate with lots of art. And there's one other thing about nature finds that my children, collect and hoard way. I have a lot of sticks in the back of our truck. My five-year-old is really into walking sticks right now. But he's fine with using them for firewood. So we do have that perk at some point. He's like, oh, yeah, well, we don't have any firewood. And then he holds them out.

But we also have a little basket on our homeschool shelf where we went to the beach and we found a bunch of shells. Sometimes we put stuff there. Right now there also a lot of leaves in there. But they are everywhere. Dry and brittle and crumbling everywhere. So I need to figure out what to do with them.


Yeah, maybe they could be confetti for your son's birthday coming up?

Yeah. Great idea. Yeah, I've had to do that before too, cause I'm like, Oh, man, I don't want to buy any more stuff. And we have a hole punch. So I'm like, well, how about we do this? And he was like, what? Awesome. He was, like, all over it. And they just biodegrade. So no big deal. So on that note. So you home school your kids. And have you been doing that since you got on the road? Or had you guys planned to do that before you left your house? Or were you going to do a regular traditional school?

Yeah. No, I had no plans to home school. I was very much looking forward to the kids going to a more traditional school. My five-year-old did go to preschool. He finished the year right before we left. He's in kindergarten now. My three-year-old just kind of does his own thing. No, it's been fun. And I've learned so much about homeschooling, but also just things that I never knew.

I feel like there's a lot of people in your boat either, you know, on purpose because they're choosing to home school, and they're just like at the beginning of it. And they're like, Oh, my gosh, this is overwhelming. I want to do this, but I don't know where to start. Or people who sort of got thrust into it because of the pandemic. And they're not necessarily homeschooling. But, you know, they're virtual schooling or there's, you know, some sort of a hybrid or whatever. Do you have, a forum that you go to or an online resource? How do you figure out what to do or how to structure your day?

I kind of take the simplest method possible. And, I kind of take my kids’ lead. He is not super into sitting down. I mean, he's five so we don't do a lot of sitting down, so a lot of our stuff is out and about, um, a lot of it right now is more science-focused because we just do a lot of major studies. I guess it's kind of a Charlotte Mason Montessori kind of mix. I don't stick to schedules, I guess is a better way of saying it because I'm really bad. If I say I need to do something at, like noon and I don't get it done, then I feel like overwhelmed. But if I have, a general routine, like, we're going to get up and then we're going to do our morning basket, which is the bulk of our sitting down, it's reading a story or a poem and kind of moving through, the day of the week and the weather and things like that. And then, we just go outside and we're exploring. We went to downtown Savannah, and that was really cool.

And so I'm thinking through this to now for myself because we’re hoping to do a lot more traveling. You know, once the pandemic is over, and to be able to do that with our son and to be able to take him with us and, show him all these cool places. We’re, very seriously considering homeschooling and doing some kind of, facet of that. So the other thing I've come across is that in the state that we're in, you have to...I think you have to register at some point, that you are homeschooling and you're not enrolling in public school, and then I haven't looked into the details quite yet because he's not close enough in age for me to really, cement in my brain. I'm not gonna hold on to that information for another couple of years. So, I haven't gone down that rabbit hole, but some states do require that you submit x amount of papers or homework or whatever for homeschooling. So I guess I'm just wondering, have you come across that? Have you run into that? And when you're traveling so much, do you claim California as your home state and then you report to them, or how has that been working for you?

Yeah. Yeah. So we've used California for all the paperwork. We just report to them and kind of follow their homeschooling guidelines. You'll find a lot of people who travel full time switch their state of residency for that. There are states that have much more lenient regulations for homeschooling. Um, and it just makes it easier on them.

Is California one of the easier states to be homeschooling in?

It's pretty good. Yeah, they allow you to just kind of register as your own school and then I think there are some regulations involved in that. Since he's in kindergarten, we don't have to officially claim anything yet.

I think that's what it is here, too. But yeah, like I said, I haven't gone down that road yet to check, but yeah, I was just curious because I thought that was interesting. And then mail do you also just get mail in California. And then if it’s super important like a family member can tell you? Or are you mostly trying to get mail virtually?

No. So we have a really hilarious setup. It's virtual. We have our own little mailbox that’s in San Francisco. It’s really funny when we give our address out. Um, but it's just a mailbox service. And so, like all our mail goes there, they scan everything to show us the envelopes and then, like we can decide what we want them to open. If we want them to and they'll scan that and send it to us as well. It's really amazing. If it's something we need, then they'll forward it to whatever address you give them.

Yeah, I had no idea because that would have been really helpful when we were on the road because we kept having these like nervous phone calls from our families. Like, um, there's this weird envelope that showed up. It says it's urgent and we like, you know, make a plan to get back there and open it up and it's like Publishers Clearing House or something. I'm like guys, did you just want to see me? You could just tell me and we can...I'm happy to come back and say hi. So, yeah, we definitely ran into that often.

I've had other extended road trips and the same thing like we have to go back to, get, money or checks or whatever. You know, whatever it is if you're like you're doing your taxes. So you have to make sure to sign and you have to send it off. And then there's, another thing and whatever, and you're just like, Oh, my gosh! I'm trying to get out of here and I have to keep, circling back just for mail. Yeah, that's a really good tip.

So from there, you could have anything forwarded for general delivery to a post office anywhere.

Yeah, that is good information. Anyone out there listening, if you're thinking about going on the road, that is a great tip. That may be common knowledge at this point. We haven't been on the road for a few years now, so maybe people do know that and I'm just out of the loop, but I'm excited to hear that.

No, It's a question I see all the time in the Facebook group.

Okay. All right. It's not just me! I was gonna ask you. So what would you think? Or what would you say? Is your favorite place that you have been so far?

Oh, um, our favorite state...We loved, um, New England. Like I loved it. It was beautiful up there. We have never been, we’re from the West Coast. East Coast was completely foreign to us. And we spent, you know, like a week in Vermont and New Hampshire and Massachusetts. And then we spent three weeks total in New York. I mean, we were just in love with it all. I mean, it's beautiful over there, um, and that I think is my favorite place.

And I feel like because of all the waterfalls and all the critters that my kids were able to find, they really enjoyed that area. But we also really loved Capitol reef in Utah.


Do you think you guys will continue to travel? Like are you trying to hit all 50 states? And then, maybe you'll circle back to your favorite spots? Or what do you think? What do you see for the future?

Yeah, that is the plan, we want to keep traveling. We want to make sure we hit all these 48 lower states.

Do you guys plan to go like maybe when the kids are bigger to try to get to Hawaii and Alaska?

I am trying to convince my husband that we need to after we finished all the 48 states we’ll sell our trailer and our truck and then just kind of hop on over to Hawaii for a month or two or four and then figure out where we want to live after that.

Yes, I do want to hit up Alaska, I think it would be an amazing experience. It's just one of those...


Yeah, it's a trek. I lived up there for a summer, and It's beautiful, but it's...I flew up and started working, and then my husband, actually...So we bought the van as our wedding gift to ourselves. And then my husband fixed up the van over the summer while I was working up there and then drove it up to pick me up. And then we drove back down and started our road trip. So it was awesome, it's a beautiful state. And the whole drive, you know, was beautiful going through Canada. I'm not complaining, but it is a trek. And with little guys, you know, it would probably take forever to get up there! You know, if you're moving like a week at a time and trying to see stuff…

Yeah, our travel is like 2 to 3 hours at a time, it would take forever.

I guess it's a twofold question before you go. But I wanted to ask. What do you like best about living tiny and what is the biggest challenge? What is something that you're like, oh, man, I wish I had access to this?

Okay, so I love that we're just able to pick up and go. Um, it's been a couple of times. We were just like, um we don't like it here. We're gonna vamonos and kind of just go somewhere else. We're gonna go to our next place, and I love that. It takes me less than an hour if I have dishes to do to clean my whole house and deep clean it including the shower! And I love that because I am not somebody who likes cleaning. I'm really good at making a mess. I am good at that.

It’s good to know your strengths.

And then, I guess I agree with my kids. More space would be great. I mean, we have a really small trailer, like a lot of people around us have these really nice fifth wheels, with all these slides. Ours is 25 ft with no slides. So I mean, when my kids are drawing, when they're both drawing or playing with their toys on the floor, like walking to the bathroom, and it's like, you know, walk over all these things and, they were playing, you've just disrupted them.

And then we actually don't have a dining table because we pulled it out to make space for a bean bag chair and our home school stuff and a shelf for books and things like that. We do have a table that we could use if we want, but we tend to just kind of have a picnic meal. It works great. If it's nice weather, we eat outside at the picnic tables.


Yeah, right. Sometimes it's nice to be inside with, a table you don't have put up and then step back down because...I love our van, but it's definitely a transformer. Like we have enough space. If we need it, it just takes, you know, a little bit of shuffling around and moving things, which is fine. But sometimes I'm like, I don't want to. I'm tired. I have no interest in trying to, get the table out and then clean it off and I'm like, I'll just stand and eat. I'm fine. I don't care. I'm too tired.

Yep, exactly. That's what basically happened. We were pulling it out for every meal...

So I lied. That wasn't my last question. I have one more. Um so are if there are parents out there listening and they're like, oh, my gosh, living tiny and traveling sounds awesome. I would love to do that, but I have no idea where to start. Do you have any advice or insight as to what people should do?

Yeah. So when I was like, oh, this is something I want to do and I was like, people do this! This is amazing! I joined the Facebook group, the free part of it, Full Time Families. Um, and they have a Facebook group, and then you can pay to be a part of the bigger, larger thing. So you get into the private groups and you get other perks as well. We're still members. And you just get to know where everyone is. And so with the free group on Facebook, you can ask all the questions and everyone's in there and they answer your questions. You get all this information. A lot of information on the way people have done things and it’s so helpful. They share all their experiences and if you become a member you get specific locations. And so then you can get to know people and meet up with them in real life. And it's been great. We've met a lot of cool people. But that was how I did it. And I've recommended it to a couple of other people who were like, I really want to do this. And they thought it was helpful.

That was Full Time Families, is the name of it?

Yeah.

Awesome. Yeah, that's a really helpful resource to know about, because so much of when you're on the road...it's cool. If you can meet other people and then it becomes this like you know, it's just like a subculture of people and generally, you’re a little bit like-minded, at least because you're all living in these tiny spaces and you're excited to travel. And so you have a lot of values in common. So it's awesome. But now, especially with the pandemic and trying to find other people who are trying to interact or get information is a little bit more difficult. So yeah. So if you have a community of people like that to start from, I feel like that's so helpful because you're like, oh, good, I'm not alone. Or like, I'm not the only one who's had this issue or, you know, whatever it is. So yeah, that's really helpful advice.

Yeah. Yeah. So we've had, like, little issues with the trailer, like, you know, things that break and people will tell you. Oh, check that, check that, try this. They're so helpful. Yeah. Or there are people who will be like, hey, I'm gonna be here, anybody in the region? I have these age kids that I want to set up playdates for. So, um and that's still happening now, I think. And a lot of people are traveling in their travel pods. I think they're calling them, they travel together.

Um, yeah, that's good to know. So, Katie, before I let you go, do you have anything coming up on the horizon that you want to promote or talk more about? Your Instagram page or anything that you want to share?

Yeah. So, as I've been traveling, I have been creating well, actually, I have been dreaming up this wonderful road schooling curriculum. I just recently started creating them. So I have the first five of New England done. I'm finishing up Connecticut this next week and then I'm moving on to the Southeast and doing them. They’re sold separately. But I want to do all 50 states, even if I never make it to Alaska. But they are basically meant to be an immersive curriculum. So they're focused on the outdoors and they kind of follow like a Charlotte Mason Montessori Esque home education. So, um, they give a lot of information about the state. They're very state-focused and all of the activities are super flexible for all ages. My three-year-old participates in a lot of them and I had a lot of parents of older kids check them out as well and see if they worked for their teenagers. So because they're really there, it's story-focused or nature explorations. So things like nature journaling…

That's really exciting!

Yeah, I'm really excited about it. Each one comes with a cool state that's kind of focused on like the state berry or fruit.

So do you have a website too Katie, or is it just your Instagram?

Yeah. I have a website it’s familyinwanderland.com

Okay, so the same name, and are the guides available both on Instagram and on the website?

Yep. And links are on Instagram and the website.

Okay. Perfect. So if you're interested in any of those or it sounds cool to you. Yeah, go and check it out. And Katie is familyinwanderland. That's w a n d e r l a n d. So, um awesome. Well, Katie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I really enjoyed talking with you. I love all things tiny house living. My husband and I are kind of obsessed. So I thank you so much for answering all my questions and talking about it!

Thank you for having me. And I hope I was helpful.

Yeah. No, definitely. Yeah. Thank you so much, Katie. Have a great night. Bye!

Bye.